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Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story
News Type: Other — Seeded on Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:44 AM EDT
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 | Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story | theapostates.org | Sun Oct 15 | 1 |
| Poll: 53% say Bush Administration 'hiding something' about 9/11 | Raw Story | Mon Oct 16 | 0 |
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{"commentId":330881,"authorDomain":"martinez"}
Truthiness hurts!
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#1 - Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:43 AM EDT{"commentId":331077,"authorDomain":"iboga"}
hehehe. yes, it does!
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{"commentId":331333,"authorDomain":"Rigbee"}
Of course, what people believe has little to do with the truth.
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#2 - Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:17 PM EDT{"commentId":331345,"authorDomain":"martinez"}
What people believe makes truth... Columbus discovered the Americas right?
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{"commentId":331482,"authorDomain":"kirklennon"}
Columbus discovered the Americas right?
Well, actually, yeah.
Was he the first person to ever come here? Of course not, and nobody is taught that. Columbus is, however, the one who brought the Americas to the attention of Western civilization, leading for the first time to permanent settlements and lasting change.
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{"commentId":486900,"authorDomain":"dungbeetlemania"}
The Native Americans were not permanently settled?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":331425,"authorDomain":"jaybutler"}
Poll: 72% Think Official Account of 9/11 Mostly Truthful
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#3 - Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:43 PM EDT{"commentId":331472,"authorDomain":"regbarc"}
Stop posting that stuff. It ruins the conspiracy theorists' wet dreams.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":331432,"authorDomain":"NickMcCouch"}
It's an opinion. It doesn't matter who believes what. What happened on 9/11 is in the past, and taking polls about how many people actually believe the facts, is wrong, to me.
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#4 - Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:51 PM EDT{"commentId":331741,"authorDomain":"iboga"}
right. it's an opinion. and so is the official account. why do you feel it is wrong to check the pulse of society? why is it wrong to poll? maybe the poll is fictitious. who really knows? personally, i don't really believe anything the government tells me (or the main stream media). what do they gain from telling the public what's really going on. they tell us what we want to hear so we can be controlled.
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{"commentId":331887,"authorDomain":"Rigbee"}
I don't think it's wrong to check the pulse of society, as long as no one assumes that what the majority of the public thinks is the truth. People used to think arsenic was medicine.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":331987,"authorDomain":"NickMcCouch"}
I am just upset about the whole 9/11 attacks in general, and I feel that the whole issue with how many people buy the story or not should be dropped. Hey, it's an opinion right? So it could be wrong. You guys may be right in that there is no problem with taking polls regarding this issue, but I just feel that deep down, some people don't really know what to believe. I am one of those.
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{"commentId":332110,"authorDomain":"Rigbee"}
Nick, that was refreshingly honest. Thank you.
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{"commentId":331485,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
Hmm... I've seen some whoppers in my day, but this distortion of the truth is downright ludicrous.
The site refers to the poll numbers, repeatedly asserting that Americans are obviously waking up to "the fact that 9/11 was an inside job on behalf of the Neoconservative crime syndicate within the US." It claims that these numbers have been growing exponentially in the last five years, and people are waking up to the huge conspiracy! It also links to the actual poll, which reconfirms their assertion!
Well, not really. From the actual NYT/CBS News poll:
Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002.
The poll is about the government's intelligence prior to 9/11, and not once, not ever refers to the Neo-cons having any part in planning it. It's also only down five points in the last four years, so it's not like this is a runaway bullet train of public opinion. If the conspiracy theorists ever hope to sway people like me, I'd like to see a little more intellectual honesty fueling their claims.
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#5 - Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:44 PM EDT{"commentId":331747,"authorDomain":"iboga"}
maybe it is prior 9/11 intelligence. maybe the poll is bunk. it's easy to believe what we are told. and maybe the official account is truth. how can we really be sure? i don't think any of us here have physical proof for either argument. just out of curiosity—is anyone here there that day or know anyone who was? i don't. i haven't personally heard anybodies story. all i know is that something feels funny to me about it. i'm just looking for truth, that's all. and my gut feeling tells me that something larger is going on. i could go on and on about alleged evidence of a higher conspiracy, but i won't. if you, whoever reads this, is interested in truth and not just accepting what we hear and are told as fact, then be sceptical and dig for more information yourself. look into it and come to your own conclusions.
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{"commentId":331862,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
maybe it is prior 9/11 intelligence. maybe the poll is bunk.
No, it is definitely prior 9/11 intelligence, and the poll is not bunk. The poll is perfectly legit. The website you linked to is just stretching the results of the poll to fit their own conclusions and give themselves a hearty and undeserved pat on the back, which is incredibly dishonest of them. I'm seeing this sort of thing often, which is what annoys me so much about a movement that flies under the banner of "Truth." Feel free to question authority and trust your gut feeling all you want, just stop relying on dishonest tripe like this to justify your views.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":332800,"authorDomain":"iboga"}
whoa, whoa, whoa... settle down there big guy... so, you're telling me that other media outlets don't use the same techniques that infowars did (i.e. biased reporting or stretching facts to support certain views)? and, are you telling me that the other side doesn't parade their version around like a banner of truth when if fact no one can say for certain if it is? you're calling me a LIAR because you are of the opinion that the story is "dishonest tripe." i believe that the official version is baldfaced bull@!$%#. but, i'm not calling YOU a liar. i just think you're a poor misguided soul who's been lied to. the government is covering something up. THEY are the liars. i feel bad for those who can't read between the lines. and, additionally, i NEVER said i was reying on this to justify my views. where does it say that? nowhere. did you even read my last post? people like you don't like to hear what i have to say. and when i say it, you dismiss me as a liar and ridicule me. if you don't care if you're being lied to, fine. but i do. i've never been more fricking serious. this isn't just about what happened that day or just about those people. this is BIGGER than that. as terrible as that all was. this is about a run-away government taking away our freedoms in the name of supposed security. that's not a price that i am willing to pay. and neither should you. the country isn't any safer than it was 5 years ago. iraq is worse off today than when saddam was still in power. and iraq didn't even have anything to do w/ 9/11. and if i'm wrong, think i give a flying F? no. i'd rather be wrong (in fact, i hope i'm wrong) but have made an attempt to find the truth, than think i'm right and find out i wasn't and never did anything.
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{"commentId":332810,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
so, you're telling me that other media outlets don't use the same techniques that infowars did (i.e. biased reporting or stretching facts to support certain views)?
Stretching facts? Sure. Blatantly misreporting the results of a poll? Usually not, but it happens sometimes. Regardless of whether other outlets do it, it doesn't make it right for your side to do either, especially when they haughtily call themselves the "Truth Movement."
are you telling me that the other side doesn't parade their version around like a banner of truth when if fact no one can say for certain if it is?
Of course the other side does. And when they're caught in a lie, which is growing more frequent, several people call them on it and I don't stand in the way. But there's a difference between "we're not sure if they're telling the truth" and "we know for a fact they are telling a bald-faced lie." This article is the latter. The poll they are referencing does not prove (or even infer) the data that they are claiming it does. That's a lie. Period.
you're calling me a LIAR because you are of the opinion that the story is "dishonest tripe." i believe that the official version is baldfaced bull@!$%#. but, i'm not calling YOU a liar. i just think you're a poor misguided soul who's been lied to. the government is covering something up. THEY are the liars.
Calm down, buddy. I never called you a liar. At most, I implied you didn't look too deeply into this story before seeding it. No crime there, and it's certainly not saying that you lied. (Journalistic negligence, maybe, but not lying.)
The rest of your angry rambling notwithstanding, I think you may've misunderstood my critique. I didn't say you're a liar. I didn't say Bush & Co. are telling the truth. I said that this article is an example of dishonesty on the part of the Truth Movement. I also pointed out that I've noticed a lot of examples of that lately, and that's driving me away from giving them the benefit of the doubt. Throwing wild accusations at me isn't helping your case.
The responsible thing, at this point, would be to say "you're right, good catch, this article doesn't seem legit" and be more careful about what you seed next time, to assure that your point of view doesn't get conflated with inaccurate information. But hey, if you want to keep clinging to it, it's a free country.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":333112,"authorDomain":"iboga"}
you're right, good catch, the article wasn't legit. i see that. i'm not trying to defend the article though. i felt like you were attacking my stance on the issue. i was just trying to say that my views are valid too. i'm not saying who's version i agree with. but from what i've heard and seen, i just feel like we're missing something. i wasn't trying to claim that the inforwar article wasn't misleading or more true or whatever. you're right—i didn't look close enough at it b4 i seeded it. and i apologize if i offended you by something i wrote. i love this country a lot. and i've just seen it change so much in my short life. i'm just concerned about something awful happening to democracy and to the american people. i'm concerned with our foriegn policy. it's easy to let our emotions carry us away when we discuss this topic. i think its quite clear though that we both feel strongly about the things we have talked about. i don't want to argue and i don't want to think negatively. i hope everyone can forgive me for being such a crazy conspiracy theorist. i'm just wired differently i guess. my skepticism is so deep that sometimes i don't even know what i believe.
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{"commentId":486907,"authorDomain":"dungbeetlemania"}
"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%"
'Hiding something' and 'mostly lying' can mean very different things depending on the context. Where the respondents told that this would be understood to mean it was an inside job? I think anyone who believes that the administration lied about the intelligence, and their actions on it, would answer 'Hiding something'. This does not mean that they believe that Bush et al actually engineered it.
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